Friday, August 14, 2015

Is It True…? Featuring Black Bolt (Vol. 1)

    Welcome to a new series on this blog called “Is It True” where I will be examining some wild claims by comic enthusiasts (or sometimes hardcore fanboys) using the very evidence they present to support their claim.

   I am an avid comic book debater, but I pride myself on being objective and letting the books present the evidence for the winner in any given contest as defined by the rules of engagement for that contest.

   Recently in a debate about Black Bolt versus Wonder Woman…a wild claim was made. Now, it stands to reason that the person making the claim should be able to back it up with evidence to support it. We will examine that evidence together here and see if it indeed was a wild claim, or a well thought out observation.

The Claim: “Black Bolt’s max shields are 13 times stronger than a straining Superman.”

   This claim was made by comparing two feats. The first was from Marvel Two-in-One Annual 4 wherein Black Bolt contained 13 mini-black holes with his magnetic shield. The second was from JLA # 77 wherein Superman contained a black hole with his hands.

   The supposition here is that Black Bolt’s feat requires power 13 times more powerful than the strength of Superman…but to make this claim, each of the 13 mini-black holes must be equal to the one Superman dealt with or else the feat cannot be 13 times more powerful.

   So, without further adieu, lets begin an objective, logical and microscopic examination of the two feats to see if the claim holds up.

   Firstly lets examine this scan and uncover some facts about the black hole Superman dealt with. We learn from this scan that the black hole is no bigger than a speck of dust. We can also see in the scan that the black hole even looks like a real stellar phenomenon you would see in deep space…emphasizing the claim by Atom that it is indeed a miniature black hole the size of a speck of dust.

 
   Next we see from this scan that when the magnetic containment is broken, the gravitational force of the hole acts upon reality….warping it briefly before Superman can contain it. Superman remarks that even a miniature black hole (remember, it is the size of a speck of dust) can cause a disaster of the first order (presumably that first order is the destruction of Earth). He is indeed flexing his muscles to contain the effects of the hole….as briefly seen in the third panel.

  
   Now in this scan we see in the first panel that the brief effects of the black hole disrupted the teleportation field of the teleporter and the sensors registered the gravitational effects. In the last panel we see Green Lantern using ALL his willpower to back Superman up as they head for a wormhole to dispose of the problem. The problem is significant enough that it cannot be dealt with on Earth and must be dealt with using another stellar phenomenon.

  
   In this final scan of evidence, we see Superman again remark about the gravitational force of the black hole, even with GL assisting him, he feels it will soon be too much for him to handle.

   Now…lets recap some major FACTS about the black hole Superman dealt with.

1.) It is the size of a speck of dust.
2.) It looks like a real black hole as seen in space.
3.) It exerts extreme reality warping gravitational force when left unconfined.
4.) It is so dangerous it has to be removed from Earth
5.) It’s gravitational force disrupted the teleportation field of the teleporter and the sensors registered it's gravitational effects…confirming the reality warping seen earlier.
6.) Green Lantern needed to assist Superman…already making the claim that started all this inaccurate, but I digress.
7.) It must be disposed of by using a wormhole (presumed to be the case by the JLA).

   In order for the original claim to be true….a single black hole that Black Bolt dealt with MUST be the exact same as the one we just examined. At the very least, and being generous, it must at least exhibit similar power and properties of the the one we just examined.

  
   Ok….looking at this first scan we can find some very interesting facts. Firstly Graviton says clearly that the things he is calling “minature black holes” are really “minute bits of my substance.” We can also clearly see that they are much bigger than a speck of dust. Secondly we see that they are able to fly through the air at the behest of Graviton’s desires. Black Bolt is able to dodge them (and if you look closely you can count there are 14 in that panel). In the last panel we count 18 holes…and observe Graviton’s own words concerning how these holes function (they need to touch to be effective and when they do will take a fragment of mass with them).

 
   In this next scan we can make even more observations. The Thing, heeding the words of Graviton does not want to be polka-dotted and in the second panel we count (again) 14 “black holes.” Black Bolt uses magnetic immaterial force to divert the course of the holes (notice Graviton is the only source to call them black holes, as the narration in the next panel just calls them “threatening voids”) and in the third panel, we see 13 go up into this force while one does not (presumably the other 4 counted earlier already were snagged by Black Bolts power?). The one that did not get snagged reaffirms that Graviton was telling the truth as it hits a wall…and takes a fragment of the wall’s mass with the  collision.

   Now…lets recap some major FACTS about the “black holes” Black Bolt dealt with.

1.) They are much bigger than a speck of dust.
2.) They do not look like real black holes as seen in space and indeed are said to actually be substance from Graviton himself.
3.) They do not exert extreme reality warping gravitational force when left unconfined and must make physical contact to be effective.
4.) They do not appear to be so dangerous that they need to be removed from Earth.
5.) They fly through the air and change direction at the will of Graviton
6.) They only take a fragment of mass of any object they make contact with.

   CLEARLY….the black holes Black Bolt dealt with are not even remotely similar to the black hole Superman dealt with. The only real thing they have in common is being called “minature black hole.”

   Now…a counter argument was made that it was the artist fault (you know the position is weak when the artist is being blamed). Somehow he did not draw them correctly…but that has nothing to do with the observed properties of the holes, despite how the holes look, or the stated facts by Graviton of what they really are and what they will do.


  
   In conclusion…there is not a single shred of evidence that these two holes (specifically comparing the one that hit the wall for a 1 to 1 comparison) are the same or even similar in any way to support the claim that Black Bolt’s power is 13 times stronger than a straining Superman. Wait…my mistake, the words “minature black hole” were used in both instances, so we can ignore all the other FACTS of the case (sarcasm).

   Chalk this claim up to a fanboy gone wild.



Agree...disagree....? Please leave a comment below.

20 comments:

  1. lol They are completely different type of black holes for sure. Though I do disagree with the black hole altering reality with its effects when it got out briefly. I think it was just exerting extreme gravitational force and was going to suck everything into it before superman grabbed it. Luckily he got it before it fully released and could force everything around it into a singularity. And a gravitational spike would be enough to throw off the teleporter fields. It didnt affect reality anymore than a normal black hole would. Also the part where superman said it was too much to bear I believe was pertaining to the visions the mnemon was giving him, not the physical exertion.

    But I do agree with your conclusion. The black hole superman dealt with being an actual black hole was far more to deal with that the black holes black bolt had to deal with, which were just voids that absorb what they come into contact with.

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    1. Yes...altering reality in a reality warping way is not quite what I meant. You have expressed my thoughts better as I was trying to say the gravitational force acted on everything around it...like a real black hole does.

      Thanks for reading!

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  2. Wow, still downplaying the feat? smh. Nice blog site though.

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    1. Seriously...? You aren't going to even defend your claim, even though you are posting anonymously...?

      I haven't downplayed the feat, I have examined and compared it to determine if your claim was accurate, and have exposed the error in it.

      Please feel free to offer a valid counter argument using the same evidence...:-)

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  3. I don't need to defend my claim. The WRITER of that Marvel 2 in 1 annual has Graviton (a scientist specializing in gravity physics) stating that they were MINI Black Holes. If you have a problem with how the WRITER and/or the ARTIST of that issue portrayed MBHs, then take it up with them. The FACT remains that the WRITER and/or ARTIST'S work is still > than your attempts to downplay and/or disprove the feat.

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    1. Did you notice that the WRITER ALSO has Graviton explain EXACTLY what his black holes do and EXACTLY what they are....? Did you notice the WRITER in narration NEVER called them black holes...?

      It is CLEAR that taking a FRAGMENT of mass is NOT equal to taking in EVERYTHING around....instead of JUST a FRAGMENT.

      The feat clarifies itself...YOU have distorted it by claiming a FRAGMENT of mass displacement is equal to the obviously greater gravitational force shown in the Superman feat.

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    2. Nice try at disproving/downplaying the feat. Still remains that fact that supes strained to contain 1 mini black hole while Black Bolt contained at least 13 w/out straining. ;)

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    3. The FACT also remains that those 13 were in no way equal to the function or power of the one Superman dealt with...not even all 13 together were as powerful, so the idea that BB's feat is 13 times more powerful than Superman's is a fallacious supposition....LOL!

      The scans CLEARLY show how these holes function and how powerful they are.

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  4. Oh look, Galactus and the Inbetweener are fighting inside a black hole, but according to YOUR logic it's not a black hole even though the writer has the Inbetweener stating it in the previous scan:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/DataZak/blog/ss18-9.jpg

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    1. There was no error. Nice try. ;)

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    2. There was an error....it was made by you when you read "mini black holes" and assumed the holes you were comparing were the same....when the scans CLEARLY show they were NOT...lol!

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  5. Once again, the writer is much > than your attempts to downplay/disprove the feat shown in the scan. (previous scan):
    https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11909512_10207333627684915_2413260988512240174_n.jpg?oh=9910c9eb46053d7d392aed164dd781c2&oe=567F965C

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    1. This black hole is totally irrelevant to the pieces of Graviton's substance he calls mini-black holes...that take only a FRAGMENT of mass as Graviton STATED.

      See...you need to use the scan you made the claim from to prove it correct. Using another scan that has nothing to do with it will not work.

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    2. The scan is RELEVANT due to the fact that according to YOUR logic, it doesn't behave and/or look like the mini-black hole that Supes strained to contain. Even the writer has the Inbetweener stating it's a black hole, but according to your logic, if it doesn't match the behavior of the mini black hole in the supes scan, it's weaker than that one or it's not a black hole. Please, stop w/ the downplaying.

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    3. The scan is NOT relevant because it is NOT part of your original comparison that had you stating that BB's feat was 13 times more powerful than Superman's feat.

      You have pulled out an entirely new scan....and all it does is further disprove your original claim.

      1.) You have now used a scan of a much larger black hole and are comparing it to a mini black hole...the size of which was a SPECK of DUST.

      2.) The black hole of Galactus FUNCTIONS MORE like the black hole Superman dealt with (pulling everything into it in it's vicinity) than the holes BB dealt with (needing to touch to take ONLY a FRAGMENT of mass).

      Understand....it DOES behave like a real black hole...as does Superman's....but UNLIKE BB's.

      3.) The black holes BB dealt with and the one in the Galactus scan are NOTHING alike. One is a real hole in space that exerts gravitational pull on objects around it....the others are pieces of Gravitons substance that fly around at his whim and pull nothing into it that they do not touch.

      4.) The scan of Galactus black hole has NOTHING to do with the feat you claim has BB's power being 13 times more powerful than Superman....nothing at all.

      You are simply grasping at straws BECAUSE you CANNOT PROVE your claim using the evidence from the scans you used to make your claim.

      Either go through the original scans and PROVE the holes in the BB and Superman scans are EQUAL....by FUNCTION and POWER...or admit you are wanking BB and have made a false claim.

      Man up.

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  6. Dude...are you implying that comic art for the marvel scan is good enough to capture gravitational disruptions? Secondly, didn't Graviton confirm it was black holes? You must be a wanker to think that the BB scan is not legit

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    1. The art cannot be blamed for what Graviton SAYS the holes are...and what he SAYS they will do...and then what they actually do. The scan CLEARLY states the holes only take a FRAGMENT of mass...and they must TOUCH to even do that.

      YOU must be a wanker to say those properties are the SAME as the black hole in the Superman scan....LOL!

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    2. Of course they're going to take a fragment of Thing's mass, there are at least 13 of them. They would rip Thing apart on the atomic level. |o| Nice try at downplaying/disproving the feat again. ;)

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    3. at least 13 mini black holes ripping Thing's mass (atoms) apart between them.

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    4. The disproving part comes when you insist that any of the holes are equal to the one Superman dealt with. The very FACT they ONLY take a FRAGMENT of mass while the one Superman dealt with sucks EVERYTHING in (MORE than just a fragment) shows these holes are NOT the same...or equal in any way.

      Understand....for even one of the 13 to be equal to Superman's....it would need to suck the Thing into it, as well as everything else around him, WITHOUT having to even touch him. This holes do NOT do that...they are NOT the same.

      Your willful ignorance is astounding....

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